one of my old students IMed me and i just had to post it. I've taken out our IM handles and placed paragraph spaces instead. I wasn't going to do anothe rentry tonight, but this is for anyone who might think along the same lines....
(her) hey
so
(me) hey goil!
sooo
soo what?
we're in here 'discussing' whether or not women can/should be preachers
Hell yes
what moron says otherwise?
what?
Heck yeah they can be preachers! why not?
BOB (made up name) says 1timothy 3:2
he said that since men are the head of the household that they should be heads of the vchurch
but i guess its all just how u were raised & stuff
oh it's on.
haha
this is great
i mean, why does it matter as long as his word's being spread, right?
ok FIRST off... NRSV trasnlation 1 Tim3:2 -- "Now a BISHOP must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher..."
yea
so what exactly was his premise right before he got owned?
lol
he says read the king james version
(still her account) hey buddy...this is BOB
the guy that believes that
King James is NOT an acurate translation of the Greek text
so you need to get over that.
how is it not accurate?
thier interpretations of the greek were translated into english as it was used in that time period. In actually ENGLISH has changed not so much the greek... So QED: translations must be made from the origional greek into contemporary english for us to be able to understand the meaning of the text.
but your version is translated from the KJV
UNLESS you speak 17th century english fluently you have no idea what was in the KJV
no
no it wasn't
NRSV is a retrasnlation form the greek and hebrew
or if youd like i'll go get my CEV trans
which is even more up to date and retranslated.
KJV was written in 1611.
thats ok...Im not going to sit here and argue with you....your not going to change my mind and Im not going to change your mind
since then over 30 k of words have been added to the english language
that's fine cause you're wrong
you go and talk to some of the profs there at (School they Attened)
go see Little Bussy
AKA Dr. ****
I'm really not worried about it
Dr. *********
ANYONE
Sigh....You have eyes but do not see......
(her again) lol hi big brother
hey
i support u, but don't worry about him
he shouldn't have brought it up in a room full of girls
well... he's lucky i'm not there in person or he would really have gotten hi s*** ruined.
lol
he shouldn't have brought it up in a room full of people with half a brain
lol true
see the thing is unless you can speak 1611 version english
but he's a hypocrite sometimes, so whatever
you don't need to be reading that bible except for scholarly purposes...
ha
yeah,i read the one i had for bible study
well you have really good bible profs there
k
Dr ****
Dr ********
they are excellent
they know it backward and forward
k
just remind him that Mary M was a disciple
he says he wants lines & proof
I said a disciple is a follower of christ
yes
by definition
they don't get ur point
my point?
is that god made men and women to function together as a unit
yea
we are whole in one another
in faith in body and in mind
women are preachers preist, bishops
some of the most brilliant pastors i know are women...
Your Dean of the Chapel is an EXCELLNT pastor
but whatever, he's kinda hypocritical
he's kinda wrong too.
i dunno what brought this up?
i dunno
he was reading my bible
Luke 8:1-3: Afterward [Jesus] journeyed from one town and village to another, preaching and proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. Accompanying him were the Twelve and some women who had been cured of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary, called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, Joanna, the wife of Herod's steward Chuza, Susanna, and many others who provided for them out of their resources.
buh BAM
Mark 15:40: There were also some women looking on from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the Less and Joses, and Salome.
k
he's going to read them tonight
there are about twenty others i coudl give him
he want those too?
he says sure
John 20:1: Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.
Mark 16:9: Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.
John 20:18: Mary Magdalene came, announcing to the disciples, "I have seen the Lord," and that He had said these things to her.
just give me line #s
Christ apears as the risen God head to the WOMEN FIRST
how does this tell us they are to be second class in the workings of the church?
that should be good
see the problem is that if he reads out of the KJV, he's reading the wrong stuff..
ok
i will BUY AND MAIL him a CEV
haha
if he tells me he will compare the verses whenever he reads
he'll compare
give me his address.
and in the meantime: Acts 9:36: Paul refers to a woman (Tabitha in Aramaic, Dorcas in Greek, Gazelle in English) as a Christian disciple.
BAH BAM...
it can't get plainer than that
SHE WAS A DISCIPLE
DEAL WITH IT.
he says he doesn't see ur point. he understands that women were disciples, but he says they aren't preaching
Acts 18:24-26
Buh Bam
describes the ministry of a Husband and wife
Acts 21:9
Bud DANG.. that verse talke about 4 prophetesses.
and last but not least.. this is that last one...
ok
Romans 16:1
Phoebe
A MINISTER
in your face
ok
the greek work that is key
is
diakonos
which is prob something the KJV gets wrong
or states in such a way that we intupret it differently cause we're 200 years different in our language.
there are MORE
i could go on
but i will stop
ok
********
we went on to talk from there, but come on people... this ain't the dark ages...
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